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		<title>By: Sona</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-19022</link>
		<dc:creator>Sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, enjoy your gardens now! Soon you and the farmers will have to plant what the Obama administration tell us to. Our freedom is being taken from us each and every day. Thank you Heronswood for the opportunity to respond. God and Gardening are the best things in life!!! Sona</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, enjoy your gardens now! Soon you and the farmers will have to plant what the Obama administration tell us to. Our freedom is being taken from us each and every day. Thank you Heronswood for the opportunity to respond. God and Gardening are the best things in life!!! Sona</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Rowlands</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-18492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Rowlands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious?!! You should listen to yourself. It reminds me of something I would have read in Miss Manners in 1965.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious?!! You should listen to yourself. It reminds me of something I would have read in Miss Manners in 1965.</p>
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		<title>By: M. McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-13724</link>
		<dc:creator>M. McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it looks like the Kitchen Garden International was persuasive in spite of the distaste many of you have for the idea that the Obama&#039;s set up a kitchen garden to grow wholesome food. 

In the NY Times it says: &quot;On Friday, Michelle Obama will begin digging up a patch of White House lawn to plant a vegetable garden, the first since Eleanor Roosevelt’s victory garden in World War II. There will be no beets (the president doesn’t like them) but arugula will make the cut.&quot;

&quot;Twenty-three fifth graders from Bancroft Elementary School in Washington will help her dig up the soil for the 1,100-square-foot plot in a spot visible to passers-by on E Street. (It’s just below the Obama girls’ swing set.) Students from the school, which has had a garden since 2001, will also help plant, harvest and cook the vegetables, berries and herbs.&quot;

Thank goodness for the veggie gardeners of the world. What could be a better symbol of down-to-earth common sense than growing a productive vegetable garden?

You can read the whole article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/dining/19garden-web.html?em=&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1237543620-Nya0evff523hzAB+rM/Fzw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like the Kitchen Garden International was persuasive in spite of the distaste many of you have for the idea that the Obama&#8217;s set up a kitchen garden to grow wholesome food. </p>
<p>In the NY Times it says: &#8220;On Friday, Michelle Obama will begin digging up a patch of White House lawn to plant a vegetable garden, the first since Eleanor Roosevelt’s victory garden in World War II. There will be no beets (the president doesn’t like them) but arugula will make the cut.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Twenty-three fifth graders from Bancroft Elementary School in Washington will help her dig up the soil for the 1,100-square-foot plot in a spot visible to passers-by on E Street. (It’s just below the Obama girls’ swing set.) Students from the school, which has had a garden since 2001, will also help plant, harvest and cook the vegetables, berries and herbs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank goodness for the veggie gardeners of the world. What could be a better symbol of down-to-earth common sense than growing a productive vegetable garden?</p>
<p>You can read the whole article here: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/dining/19garden-web.html?em=&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1237543620-Nya0evff523hzAB+rM/Fzw" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/dining/19garden-web.html?em=&amp;adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1237543620-Nya0evff523hzAB+rM/Fzw</a></p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11718</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read this folks...
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/alice-waters-and-obamas-kitchen-cabinet/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read this folks&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/alice-waters-and-obamas-kitchen-cabinet/" rel="nofollow">http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/alice-waters-and-obamas-kitchen-cabinet/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marianne Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11636</link>
		<dc:creator>Marianne Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All fine ideas for our President&#039;s retreat home, yet remember that book from the 50s, IF I RAN THE ZOO...?  
What would YOU actually do if you accepted the challenge to landscape, with gardens, the extensive White House acres?

Thanks. M. Jackson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All fine ideas for our President&#8217;s retreat home, yet remember that book from the 50s, IF I RAN THE ZOO&#8230;?<br />
What would YOU actually do if you accepted the challenge to landscape, with gardens, the extensive White House acres?</p>
<p>Thanks. M. Jackson</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11582</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some of the people who posted need to do more gardening to relieve their stress!

One reason I worried about things getting political is because people tend to get emotional about it and sometimes get &quot;carried away.&quot;

I&#039;ve noticed that, overall, people who post on gardening sites tend to write more intelligently and seem more courteous than other types of blogs, which is one of the things I enjoy about it.  

Obviously, we all have our own views on politics and on what a garden should be.  Although George&#039;s column was an interesting and timely vehicle for the discussion of gardening ideas (which I did enjoy)it, for some, seems to be a slippery slope leading to political bashing and &quot;reading things in&quot; that were not there.  I don&#039;t think George was trying to take sides politically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of the people who posted need to do more gardening to relieve their stress!</p>
<p>One reason I worried about things getting political is because people tend to get emotional about it and sometimes get &#8220;carried away.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that, overall, people who post on gardening sites tend to write more intelligently and seem more courteous than other types of blogs, which is one of the things I enjoy about it.  </p>
<p>Obviously, we all have our own views on politics and on what a garden should be.  Although George&#8217;s column was an interesting and timely vehicle for the discussion of gardening ideas (which I did enjoy)it, for some, seems to be a slippery slope leading to political bashing and &#8220;reading things in&#8221; that were not there.  I don&#8217;t think George was trying to take sides politically.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11537</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear NW Gardener,

Thanks for your very thoughtful and passionate post. You raise many excellent points and questions.

First, I used &quot;ghastly&quot; to refer to the possible (and probable) visual impact of an urban farm on the Presidential residence and grounds. I repeat: &quot;ugh&quot;. However, if you read the entire blog, you see that I proposed that they indeed plant a vegetable garden to supplement the Obama family, since it&#039;s their home. By &quot;thinking like a gardener&quot; I meant to be circumspect and careful, not impulsive and reactionary. Most gardeners I know, myself included, approach planting a garden with great care. It&#039;s not like you can have it one day, and not the next---much like a pet. I&#039;ve seen many a garden get neglected by first time gardeners, rather like abandoned pets. Plus, folks who don&#039;t do it gradually, and experience failure, tend to avoid the hobby. That was the spirit and letter of &quot;Camp Obama&quot;. I believe the President is a bit introverted, so a garden is an ideal hobby. Turn it into an urban farm, and it&#039;s just another photo op, of which I believe he needs, in fact, fewer. I can&#039;t see Malia and Sasha getting involved in yet another public spectacle either. What better than to start with Camp David? Early press suggested that the Obamas enjoyed their first weekend there. Then, in a year, especially with staff and security folks&#039; &quot;buy in&quot; (via sampling in a natural context), a White House garden would occur naturally and perhaps more successfully from a public policy standpoint, which is your interest.

As for chemicals, I use very little, but also am no expert. I am sure your stats are 100%,  so I support your effort to get the word out. I happen to love green lawns, and they&#039;re especially wonderful in the dreadfully hot and humid DC summers. Why not a &quot;healthy lawn&quot; initiative along with your urban organic farm garden? You think folks are going to change their taste for lawns so easily as that?  There are a lot of folks for whom a patch of sun in the front yard equals lawn...period. It&#039;s nice looking to them. Also, a vegetable front yard is a bit tough to pull off well. The Italian community here does it here and there, but it can look rough unless well done. Critter issues for some folks too. However, I maintain that if they--the Obamas--want one, great. As I tried to say, let it occur naturally. The house and grounds are some of the very few things that won&#039;t burden him with too many issues, and shouldn&#039;t. 

Finally, the current staff is well known to have supported the Bushes in their small rooftop garden and the chef, a native Filipina, will remind the president of the Asian roots of the food of his youth, so maybe some oriental vegetables and herbs will be on the rooftop soon, if they aren&#039;t sown already. I simply wish him well with a garden of his own at Camp David. If you want to push hard an agenda for urban farming, why not go after Congress too? I&#039;d be very glad to help.

Thanks again for your response, and I hope you can make it to the Heronswood Open in Kingston, Washington in July and late August/early September. Very exciting, and we&#039;ll have an elegant potager which could be a very good model for the Obamas. 
George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear NW Gardener,</p>
<p>Thanks for your very thoughtful and passionate post. You raise many excellent points and questions.</p>
<p>First, I used &#8220;ghastly&#8221; to refer to the possible (and probable) visual impact of an urban farm on the Presidential residence and grounds. I repeat: &#8220;ugh&#8221;. However, if you read the entire blog, you see that I proposed that they indeed plant a vegetable garden to supplement the Obama family, since it&#8217;s their home. By &#8220;thinking like a gardener&#8221; I meant to be circumspect and careful, not impulsive and reactionary. Most gardeners I know, myself included, approach planting a garden with great care. It&#8217;s not like you can have it one day, and not the next&#8212;much like a pet. I&#8217;ve seen many a garden get neglected by first time gardeners, rather like abandoned pets. Plus, folks who don&#8217;t do it gradually, and experience failure, tend to avoid the hobby. That was the spirit and letter of &#8220;Camp Obama&#8221;. I believe the President is a bit introverted, so a garden is an ideal hobby. Turn it into an urban farm, and it&#8217;s just another photo op, of which I believe he needs, in fact, fewer. I can&#8217;t see Malia and Sasha getting involved in yet another public spectacle either. What better than to start with Camp David? Early press suggested that the Obamas enjoyed their first weekend there. Then, in a year, especially with staff and security folks&#8217; &#8220;buy in&#8221; (via sampling in a natural context), a White House garden would occur naturally and perhaps more successfully from a public policy standpoint, which is your interest.</p>
<p>As for chemicals, I use very little, but also am no expert. I am sure your stats are 100%,  so I support your effort to get the word out. I happen to love green lawns, and they&#8217;re especially wonderful in the dreadfully hot and humid DC summers. Why not a &#8220;healthy lawn&#8221; initiative along with your urban organic farm garden? You think folks are going to change their taste for lawns so easily as that?  There are a lot of folks for whom a patch of sun in the front yard equals lawn&#8230;period. It&#8217;s nice looking to them. Also, a vegetable front yard is a bit tough to pull off well. The Italian community here does it here and there, but it can look rough unless well done. Critter issues for some folks too. However, I maintain that if they&#8211;the Obamas&#8211;want one, great. As I tried to say, let it occur naturally. The house and grounds are some of the very few things that won&#8217;t burden him with too many issues, and shouldn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Finally, the current staff is well known to have supported the Bushes in their small rooftop garden and the chef, a native Filipina, will remind the president of the Asian roots of the food of his youth, so maybe some oriental vegetables and herbs will be on the rooftop soon, if they aren&#8217;t sown already. I simply wish him well with a garden of his own at Camp David. If you want to push hard an agenda for urban farming, why not go after Congress too? I&#8217;d be very glad to help.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your response, and I hope you can make it to the Heronswood Open in Kingston, Washington in July and late August/early September. Very exciting, and we&#8217;ll have an elegant potager which could be a very good model for the Obamas.<br />
George</p>
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		<title>By: NW Gardener</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11309</link>
		<dc:creator>NW Gardener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 06:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, your definition of “thinking like a gardener” differs greatly from mine.  I am a gardener, and I believe replacing the White House lawn with a functional, productive vegetable garden that demonstrates the amount of healthy, safe, pesticide-free food that can be grown on an urban plot of land is thinking exactly like a gardener!
To me the White House lawn is powerful symbol- a powerful symbol of our mis-allocated resources. Consider the following statistics:
 According to the US EPA, landscape irrigation is estimated to account for almost one-third of all residential water use, totaling more than 7 billion gallons per day.
The National Wildlife Federation states that each year in the US, over 70 MILLION TONS of chemical fertilizers and pesticides are used on residential lawns and gardens.
Where I live, on the Puget Sound, (not to far from Heronswood Garden), a study  conducted by the USGS from 1987-1995 found “Twenty-three pesticides were detected in water from urban streams during rainstorms, and the concentrations of five of these pesticides exceeded limits set to protect aquatic life”.
The EPA also says that 95% percent of lawn care chemicals in use today are possible or probable carcinogens.
Now that is ghastly.
Replacing the chemical-hungry White House lawn with a demonstration organic vegetable garden that provides fresh, local, seasonal food to the First Family and their guests will send a clear and positive message about the value our nation places on our precious resources- our soil, our water, our farmers…and our gardens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, your definition of “thinking like a gardener” differs greatly from mine.  I am a gardener, and I believe replacing the White House lawn with a functional, productive vegetable garden that demonstrates the amount of healthy, safe, pesticide-free food that can be grown on an urban plot of land is thinking exactly like a gardener!<br />
To me the White House lawn is powerful symbol- a powerful symbol of our mis-allocated resources. Consider the following statistics:<br />
 According to the US EPA, landscape irrigation is estimated to account for almost one-third of all residential water use, totaling more than 7 billion gallons per day.<br />
The National Wildlife Federation states that each year in the US, over 70 MILLION TONS of chemical fertilizers and pesticides are used on residential lawns and gardens.<br />
Where I live, on the Puget Sound, (not to far from Heronswood Garden), a study  conducted by the USGS from 1987-1995 found “Twenty-three pesticides were detected in water from urban streams during rainstorms, and the concentrations of five of these pesticides exceeded limits set to protect aquatic life”.<br />
The EPA also says that 95% percent of lawn care chemicals in use today are possible or probable carcinogens.<br />
Now that is ghastly.<br />
Replacing the chemical-hungry White House lawn with a demonstration organic vegetable garden that provides fresh, local, seasonal food to the First Family and their guests will send a clear and positive message about the value our nation places on our precious resources- our soil, our water, our farmers…and our gardens.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11551</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marilyn – It’s ok, it’s ok! No one is ever going to tell us what we have to plant—except truly dangerous weeds. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilyn – It’s ok, it’s ok! No one is ever going to tell us what we have to plant—except truly dangerous weeds. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/02/camp-obama/#comment-11255</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does that mean we could cont. to plant what we like &amp; can use for us or would we have to plant what ever the President thinks we should plant? gardener in the Whte Mts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean we could cont. to plant what we like &amp; can use for us or would we have to plant what ever the President thinks we should plant? gardener in the Whte Mts.</p>
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