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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23899</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Banerjee,
As a business owner in a science-related industry, I actually serve neither God nor Mammon, but rather the so-called “gray area” that exists—not between them—but outside them. God took care of me long ago and now I take care of Him. Mammon has never been a distraction. I serve at the behest of the scientific method, which answers questions and solves problems. “What is beauty?”, must be answered by my customers. And they shall have it—that is my job. It is an infinitely complex question, and one that I am glad—indeed, blessed—to be able to try to answer.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Banerjee,<br />
As a business owner in a science-related industry, I actually serve neither God nor Mammon, but rather the so-called “gray area” that exists—not between them—but outside them. God took care of me long ago and now I take care of Him. Mammon has never been a distraction. I serve at the behest of the scientific method, which answers questions and solves problems. “What is beauty?”, must be answered by my customers. And they shall have it—that is my job. It is an infinitely complex question, and one that I am glad—indeed, blessed—to be able to try to answer.</p>
<p>Thank you for your thoughtful post.</p>
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		<title>By: Siddhartha Banerjee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siddhartha Banerjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SERVING GOD AND MAMMON TOO.

Reading some comments, I am reminded how difficult it is to integrate economics with beauty and can identify with Mr. Ball&#039;s predicament - and the hurt and anger of his critics.  

The tragic truth is that the pursuit of beauty for just beauty&#039;s sake can cripple the pursuer. In publishing, cinema, theater, and yes, in beloved landscapes too, there is either a patron behind the scenes who underwrites the process -- or an entrepreneur who is trying to break even and turn a small profit so that the place can be kept in good repair and accessible to the public.

Siddhartha Banerjee
Oxford, Pa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SERVING GOD AND MAMMON TOO.</p>
<p>Reading some comments, I am reminded how difficult it is to integrate economics with beauty and can identify with Mr. Ball&#8217;s predicament &#8211; and the hurt and anger of his critics.  </p>
<p>The tragic truth is that the pursuit of beauty for just beauty&#8217;s sake can cripple the pursuer. In publishing, cinema, theater, and yes, in beloved landscapes too, there is either a patron behind the scenes who underwrites the process &#8212; or an entrepreneur who is trying to break even and turn a small profit so that the place can be kept in good repair and accessible to the public.</p>
<p>Siddhartha Banerjee<br />
Oxford, Pa</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23837</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Esther – I had a friend once who liked only two drinks:  Colt 45 or any other “malt liquor”, as the fortified beers are called, and port wine.  The first was for casual drinking and the second on formal occasions.  I asked her why and she simply said she liked their taste.  She was, of course, an alcoholic, now fully recovered.  But that&#039;s what they all say.  Ironically, they don&#039;t like the drinking part.  It may as well have been a pill.

I, on the other hand, drank ordinary beer and, on occasion, ordinary wine.  Why?   I like to drink – the process, I mean.  As one ages, one stops regular daily consumption, and I did the same, in a sense.  But I still enjoy the simple act of drinking.  Like drinking water, it feels good.  Drink hard stuff and you don’t drink for long.

It is the same with writing.  Obviously, I enjoy it.  So, yes, I have a long wind-up.  I guess my readers like to read.

My question to you is, with such a keen sense of observation, would you please share with us the identity of the questionable hydrangea you saw at the Fordhook Open Days?  We sell, of course, to a much wider region now.  Also, Fordhook is a working research farm, not simply a display garden, so you may have seen a hydrangea that was being monitored for zone adaptability, or verification of same.

Thank you for your thoughtful post.  And I hope you don’t forget to visit us again – on both coasts – in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Esther – I had a friend once who liked only two drinks:  Colt 45 or any other “malt liquor”, as the fortified beers are called, and port wine.  The first was for casual drinking and the second on formal occasions.  I asked her why and she simply said she liked their taste.  She was, of course, an alcoholic, now fully recovered.  But that&#8217;s what they all say.  Ironically, they don&#8217;t like the drinking part.  It may as well have been a pill.</p>
<p>I, on the other hand, drank ordinary beer and, on occasion, ordinary wine.  Why?   I like to drink – the process, I mean.  As one ages, one stops regular daily consumption, and I did the same, in a sense.  But I still enjoy the simple act of drinking.  Like drinking water, it feels good.  Drink hard stuff and you don’t drink for long.</p>
<p>It is the same with writing.  Obviously, I enjoy it.  So, yes, I have a long wind-up.  I guess my readers like to read.</p>
<p>My question to you is, with such a keen sense of observation, would you please share with us the identity of the questionable hydrangea you saw at the Fordhook Open Days?  We sell, of course, to a much wider region now.  Also, Fordhook is a working research farm, not simply a display garden, so you may have seen a hydrangea that was being monitored for zone adaptability, or verification of same.</p>
<p>Thank you for your thoughtful post.  And I hope you don’t forget to visit us again – on both coasts – in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther Knapicus</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23831</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther Knapicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, boy you can be wordy until you get to the truck of the story.
I have visited Heronswood just a year prior to Burpee take over.
And while I do understand the history of it. What made it so was the owner, and his passion for seeking out the unusual. I have been to your &quot;open house gardens&quot; in Doyestown, PA. And saw Hydranga in a zone not for this area for sale, asking why would you put one out there, if only for the unknowledgeable perhaps???.
I will still miss the original Heronswood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, boy you can be wordy until you get to the truck of the story.<br />
I have visited Heronswood just a year prior to Burpee take over.<br />
And while I do understand the history of it. What made it so was the owner, and his passion for seeking out the unusual. I have been to your &#8220;open house gardens&#8221; in Doyestown, PA. And saw Hydranga in a zone not for this area for sale, asking why would you put one out there, if only for the unknowledgeable perhaps???.<br />
I will still miss the original Heronswood.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23836</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Pat – Thank you for your post.  I am sorry that you misunderstood the “demystification” approach I took in my last blog.  For sincere, heartfelt approbations of both Dan’s and Robert’s abilities and contributions, please see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2007/07/kingston-tide/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kingston Tide&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2007/08/magic-hats/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Magic Hats&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2007/05/west-coast-layers-of-meaning/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;West Coast Layers Of Meaning&lt;/a&gt;.  I doubt many other bloggers have been as acutely effusive in my praise of the former owners as I have.  But life is not about praise, is it?.

Therefore, I thought to take a simpler approach just for a change of light.  “Vary the line“ as Bernard  Berenson said.  Repeating oneself in a blog is apparently as big a &quot;no-no&quot;, as it is in art.

I also find it a bit insulting that you suggest that we—or I—have destroyed anything other than your free access to the gardens and nursery.  Ironically, the &quot;free&quot;, or public access part was begun under our ownership, not the previous one.  Before 2000, the nursery and garden were limited to appointment only and occasional Opens, only slightly more than we hold today.  I assume you are, therefore, a veteran &quot;heronista&quot;.

However, you are right to point out the termination of the Kingston-based classes, seminars and other social events that were held, again ironically, with greater frequency during our ownership (from 2000 onward).  We supported a great expansion of facilities, staff and cash flow into the company during the 2000 – 2006 periods.  We, too, helped create the “magic and mystery”, though we certainly didn’t create it, as I’ve said many times.  We merely paid for it.

Nevertheless, your spirits – and that of some others in the Kingston area – are broken, and for that I apologize.  I would not support a limited and extremely expensive business in perpetuity.

In order to save the company, I had to relocate operations to Pennsylvania.  Dan and Robert were retained, with appropriately lucrative contracts, for over five years, after being paid generously for their business.  Why you and a few others feel it necessary to continue to incriminate us after we have preserved the gardens and continued to make them available to the public via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gardenconservancy.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Garden Conservancy&lt;/a&gt; – with the latter receiving nationwide &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gardenconservancy.org/opendays/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Day program&lt;/a&gt; support, plus the proceeds – is beyond my understanding.

I suggest &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Releases-1937-1949-Bill-Monroe/dp/B00008Y3UU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&amp;s=music&amp;qid=1257888439&amp;sr=1-5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bill Monroe&lt;/a&gt;, the early years especially; or Nick Lucas (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Painting-Clouds-Nick-Lucas/dp/B00004YLJK/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&amp;s=music&amp;qid=1257888758&amp;sr=1-5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Painting the Clouds With Sunshine&#039;&lt;/a&gt;) to help sooth your obvious heartbreak.

I also remind myself, but for the sake of us both, the elegant Dale Carnegie quote, &quot;A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still&quot;.   From the chapter, &quot;You Can&#039;t Win An Argument&quot; in his famous book How To Win Friends And Influence People.

Thanks again for posting.  Please enjoy the gardens during the 2010 Open Day programs at our newly christened Heronswood Northwest Research Garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pat – Thank you for your post.  I am sorry that you misunderstood the “demystification” approach I took in my last blog.  For sincere, heartfelt approbations of both Dan’s and Robert’s abilities and contributions, please see <a href="http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2007/07/kingston-tide/" rel="nofollow">Kingston Tide</a>, <a href="http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2007/08/magic-hats/" rel="nofollow">Magic Hats</a>, and <a href="http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2007/05/west-coast-layers-of-meaning/" rel="nofollow">West Coast Layers Of Meaning</a>.  I doubt many other bloggers have been as acutely effusive in my praise of the former owners as I have.  But life is not about praise, is it?.</p>
<p>Therefore, I thought to take a simpler approach just for a change of light.  “Vary the line“ as Bernard  Berenson said.  Repeating oneself in a blog is apparently as big a &#8220;no-no&#8221;, as it is in art.</p>
<p>I also find it a bit insulting that you suggest that we—or I—have destroyed anything other than your free access to the gardens and nursery.  Ironically, the &#8220;free&#8221;, or public access part was begun under our ownership, not the previous one.  Before 2000, the nursery and garden were limited to appointment only and occasional Opens, only slightly more than we hold today.  I assume you are, therefore, a veteran &#8220;heronista&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, you are right to point out the termination of the Kingston-based classes, seminars and other social events that were held, again ironically, with greater frequency during our ownership (from 2000 onward).  We supported a great expansion of facilities, staff and cash flow into the company during the 2000 – 2006 periods.  We, too, helped create the “magic and mystery”, though we certainly didn’t create it, as I’ve said many times.  We merely paid for it.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, your spirits – and that of some others in the Kingston area – are broken, and for that I apologize.  I would not support a limited and extremely expensive business in perpetuity.</p>
<p>In order to save the company, I had to relocate operations to Pennsylvania.  Dan and Robert were retained, with appropriately lucrative contracts, for over five years, after being paid generously for their business.  Why you and a few others feel it necessary to continue to incriminate us after we have preserved the gardens and continued to make them available to the public via <a href="http://www.gardenconservancy.org/" rel="nofollow">The Garden Conservancy</a> – with the latter receiving nationwide <a href="http://www.gardenconservancy.org/opendays/" rel="nofollow">Open Day program</a> support, plus the proceeds – is beyond my understanding.</p>
<p>I suggest <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Releases-1937-1949-Bill-Monroe/dp/B00008Y3UU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&amp;s=music&amp;qid=1257888439&amp;sr=1-5" rel="nofollow">Bill Monroe</a>, the early years especially; or Nick Lucas (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Painting-Clouds-Nick-Lucas/dp/B00004YLJK/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&amp;s=music&amp;qid=1257888758&amp;sr=1-5" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Painting the Clouds With Sunshine&#8217;</a>) to help sooth your obvious heartbreak.</p>
<p>I also remind myself, but for the sake of us both, the elegant Dale Carnegie quote, &#8220;A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still&#8221;.   From the chapter, &#8220;You Can&#8217;t Win An Argument&#8221; in his famous book How To Win Friends And Influence People.</p>
<p>Thanks again for posting.  Please enjoy the gardens during the 2010 Open Day programs at our newly christened Heronswood Northwest Research Garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Maroushek</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23830</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Maroushek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any true gardener who visited Herronswood while Dan Hinkley was in charge came away with a sense of awe, wonder and yes, mystery.  The gardens were magical, and the open days which combined sales, tours, fundraisers, speakers, garden consultations, and problem solving, filled gardeners with excitement and insight and engendered garden companionship and stewardship.  We loved the gardens, and we miss them.

To have this magic reduced to &quot;two guys bought some property, hauled in soil and a few plants, and then built a couple of buildings&quot; is a travesty and does a grave disservice to the garden founders and the large number of garden visitors who felt that they shared the magic of the gardens.  I&#039;ll keep the magic and the mystery in my heart and mind as I am sure you will keep demystifying and destroying other beautiful places and feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any true gardener who visited Herronswood while Dan Hinkley was in charge came away with a sense of awe, wonder and yes, mystery.  The gardens were magical, and the open days which combined sales, tours, fundraisers, speakers, garden consultations, and problem solving, filled gardeners with excitement and insight and engendered garden companionship and stewardship.  We loved the gardens, and we miss them.</p>
<p>To have this magic reduced to &#8220;two guys bought some property, hauled in soil and a few plants, and then built a couple of buildings&#8221; is a travesty and does a grave disservice to the garden founders and the large number of garden visitors who felt that they shared the magic of the gardens.  I&#8217;ll keep the magic and the mystery in my heart and mind as I am sure you will keep demystifying and destroying other beautiful places and feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23819</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nina

Yes to the first question and no, somewhat to the second.  Had PNHC been successful, they may have ultimately (or even quickly) failed. But their hearts, I believe, were in the right place.

I have announced many times on my blog and the Heronswood Nursery site has also announced, the several Garden Conservancy Open Days that we hold—and have held—at the original Heronswood Garden in Kingston since 2006.  The dates next year will be listed in due course.  I assume you live nearby, so if you don’t read this blog regularly, please check your local media. 

Regarding your 2nd question, the story of PNHC has also been discussed and summarized &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2008/06/george-ball-re-pnhc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2008/05/heronswood-gardens-2008-update/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; 
and finally &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2008/01/garden-what-garden/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you and please visit the Kingston gardens during our 2010 Open Houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nina</p>
<p>Yes to the first question and no, somewhat to the second.  Had PNHC been successful, they may have ultimately (or even quickly) failed. But their hearts, I believe, were in the right place.</p>
<p>I have announced many times on my blog and the Heronswood Nursery site has also announced, the several Garden Conservancy Open Days that we hold—and have held—at the original Heronswood Garden in Kingston since 2006.  The dates next year will be listed in due course.  I assume you live nearby, so if you don’t read this blog regularly, please check your local media. </p>
<p>Regarding your 2nd question, the story of PNHC has also been discussed and summarized <a href="http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2008/06/george-ball-re-pnhc/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2008/05/heronswood-gardens-2008-update/" rel="nofollow">here</a><br />
and finally <a href="http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2008/01/garden-what-garden/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you and please visit the Kingston gardens during our 2010 Open Houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we still visit the Washington garden? Was that Kitsap community project back in 2006 that was trying to preserve it successful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we still visit the Washington garden? Was that Kitsap community project back in 2006 that was trying to preserve it successful?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.heronswoodvoice.com/2009/11/heronswood-garden/#comment-23835</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Suz,
We plan to have a few more Open Days again in Kingston next year. At Fordhook, our “Heronswood East” Opens are scheduled in late spring to early fall. That is when the seasonal display is best and weather is generally fine. However, in Kingston the gardens start blooming in the late January and early February period on through to mid November—an extraordinary length of season. Scheduling one-day public events has been tough since we run it now only as a research garden.  We held 3 opens in 2009. We shall be able to hold a few more, both earlier and later, in 2010.

Thank you for your interest,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Suz,<br />
We plan to have a few more Open Days again in Kingston next year. At Fordhook, our “Heronswood East” Opens are scheduled in late spring to early fall. That is when the seasonal display is best and weather is generally fine. However, in Kingston the gardens start blooming in the late January and early February period on through to mid November—an extraordinary length of season. Scheduling one-day public events has been tough since we run it now only as a research garden.  We held 3 opens in 2009. We shall be able to hold a few more, both earlier and later, in 2010.</p>
<p>Thank you for your interest,</p>
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		<title>By: Suz Landay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suz Landay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a very insightful explanation of Heronswood.  I hope to visit some day and experience the various geometric spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a very insightful explanation of Heronswood.  I hope to visit some day and experience the various geometric spaces.</p>
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